thanks for the suggestions. i agree, i don't particularly love the new 5 series.. i've driven a 545i sport 6 speed, drove exceptionally and the torque of a V8 is soooo sweet. i love my M3 and the more i drive her, the less i want to get rid of her but... the other woman in my life is all about being "practical"... took a little while for me to get her to agree that an M5 is that... funny story actually - kind of a bit of reverse psychology. my close friend / partner in crime just picked up a 911 carrera... extremely sweet ride and something i've always lusted after - my friend and i kept telling my girl how awesome the car is and that its something guys in general generally "just love". we kept pushing the issue that since he got one, i should be able to get one and even though its not that practical, i'd probably keep it for a couple of years THEN move to something more domestic... after about two weeks of this - talking up the 911's looking on the net, etc.... we were out driving in the M3 and came up to an M5 while in traffic... totally sweet - carbon black, black interior.. just like my car but 4 door (essentially). guy in the M5 looked over, gave the nod of approval and a thumbs up that i get quite frequently from other M-Car owners. my girl asked some questions about the M5, (how much, colors, does it have smg, blah blah blah) and oh yeah... she said it was "pretty".. had to laugh at that one... the M5 isn't pretty.. its a gorgeous piece of refined engineering taken to an almost ridiculous level (i did say almost..) and built to carry 5 passengers extremely comfortably at triple digit speeds... i don't think she understands.... well, her verdict on seeing an M5 was that it was the best of both worlds... four doors and more space for the family and not really stepping down for me with regard to performace, visuals and just the status of an M car. she suggested that i get "one of those" instead of the porsche.... who am i to argue??? so.... that being said.. i am on the prowl for an immaculate M5 and no issues about it from the woman.... isn't it great!